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Knochen
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 17:59 |
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I don't know if this rate of reduction means I should be extra vigilant for possible unknown/unrecognised sources of D in my diet or if I'm OK.
Being extra vigilant until you get down in the therapeutic range is a good idea. Once you are there, then you can start letting other things back in and see if you bounce up again.
Remember that it takes about 3 months to cut the level by half, and any cheating or mistakes can undo a long stretch of being good. So extra care is important. Besides, you really don't want to be well into the later phases when things suddenly "come to life". Makes it even less fun.  So run a tight ship for the next 3 months and you should be getting into the groove.
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 18:42 |
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Odette,
Anytime 25D is above therapeutic level of 12ng/ml, then diet and light are suspect. Some have noticed it takes a lot of time to get their 25D down with very careful sleuthing to eliminate D supplementation, as sources are not always obvious.
For example (and this is only one food source issue, there are many that could be problematic), oils are used in nearly all kinds of commercial and restaurant products, especially in commercial salad dressings. Sunflower and flax seed oil (for example only, there may be others) are known sources of D, but may not need to be declared specifically or differently than an oil that does not have D. Food industries will often make a buyer cost/availability decision process choice to source the best price of available oil in the marketplace without regard to more than a company marketing requirement to specify "vegetable" oil as opposed to animal oil sources (cholesterol craze drove a lot of the current oil current oil focus on different oil products, so that is the buyer's rose colored glasses).
But that is just one possible oil picture, and there are many other D sources to suspect (just how many products have egg yolks or... you get the picture), as well as stores in your own body from previous months. It can take up to a year for 25D you may have taken in from a variety of sources before you even knew about the MP.
Direction is a good thing to hang onto when numbers alone are bleakly high. Keep working on it, scrutinize your diet and light again, and avoid being in a hurry to progress in the MP if you don't see as much response at any one level.
(Sometimes people with high 25D ramp merrily along at rip-speed with little IP response noted, while their D is still out of therapeutic range but slowly falling. When the two determinants finally meet up, then some have reported a whammy response they just were not expecting and it can be dramatic. Best to ramp cautiously until one finds 25D at 12ng/ml or lower.)
Best to you Odette--Janet
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expate
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 20:16 |
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Thank you both, Knochen and Janet. I will certainly continue to be vigilant regarding both light and diet. I hadn't thought about the oils. I usually dress my own salad but occasionally use prepared dressings.
It is a dilemma though about the ramping. I read that you don't want to tarry at any one level or on mino for too long because of the possiblility of mino resistant bacteria. But I also don't want to find myself too far along with high D levels. I suppose the health professionals on the study site will guide me through that.
Another issue: for the first time ever I have a high reading for cholesterol. I don't know if it's because of the increase in red meat since dropping seafood from my diet or what. I've always eaten real butter and not used lowfat foods (except for milk, which I now must use whole milk). Opinions?
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dette
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 20:30 |
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Odette,
Markers for many things can change during the MP as one progresses to wellness.
In a general perspective, you are getting a clue that the MP is definitely taking action and doing something. Given your high 25D, then you can be happy about that  .
More specific information on cholesterol:
My cholesterol and/or triglycerides are very high. Will the Marshall Protocol help? includes Member experiences and complications.
Should I take medication to improve my cholesterol levels?
Best to you Odette--Janet
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Posted: Tue Aug 19th, 2008 20:46 |
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Thanks Janet. I'm not too worried about it, especially because my triglycerides, HDL and LDL are all at good levels (for the time being). I do think after reading the links you provided, I should make a better effort at a low carb diet though.
dette
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expate
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 02:29 |
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I'm lost. I have a memory of peppermint not being good in the diet for MP, but I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know about it?
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dette
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 06:20 |
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while on D-diet cautions
I think I heard on radio that kangaroo meat has an unusually high vit.D level for a very lean meat
have only eaten twice, but was excellent in hands of competent chef; the second time I cooked myself and it seemed unpleasantly sweet (I have used no added sugar for years)
anything known?
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 07:01 |
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what about avocado,
Avocado oil was not on list to avoid, if I remember
I have found the search Fn
* top of the page, silly *
avocado does not rate a mention, does it have another name in the Americas?
Last edited on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 07:02 by Sallie Q
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 08:49 |
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Odette,
Aussie Barb recently said;
Peppermint tea in moderation wouldnt be a supplement, unless you are relying on it to minimise any symptoms.
I also suggest seeing this discussion on MP Compliant Tea.
Avocado oil and avocados are both mentioned in Foods to Avoid.
Regards,
Natalie
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 08:59 |
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| Odette, you might be thinking of where peppermint has been mentioned as a source of salicylates - some of us find salicylates increase restless legs, but not everyone's affected.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 09:03 |
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Hi Sallie Q,
Please would you start a new thread for your own questions? In the forum **Ask your questions in here** click on 'New Topic' at the top of the page. Call it 'Sallie Q's questions', and that will become your own personal thread 
Julia 
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 15:19 |
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Thanks all.
I just read the MP Compliant Tea thread. Arrrg. It's all so complicated. Off to sulk. I'll get over it.
 dette
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