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dpsinger
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 00:54 |
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44 year old male. GB removed several years ago. Lactose intolerant. Gut issues. Post Tx Lyme.
Taking Juice Plus-Orchard Blend, Saw Palmetto, Saccharomycin DF (probiotic), Azeo Pangen (digestive Enzyme), Gastr Acid (Digestive Enzyme) and Benicar in the a.m.
Taking Mag Glycinate, Renex (kidney support), Juice Plus-Garden Blend, Azeo Pangen, Gastr Acid and Cal Apatite at lunch.
Dinner vitamins are same as a.m. except no Juice Plus. Ambien as needed at p.m.
Navigating MP site leads to ?'s re. vitamins. Nutritional pharmacist consultant says no Vit. D in any of the above. Okay to continue or need to cut any out? Probiotics are essential for balanced gut for me as an individual.
Not quite sure who reads and responds to this. I am in week 2 of Phase I. Benicar every 6 hours. No Herx. This is an incredible resource. TM must be a saint. So grateful for all the information. How is the foundation associated with TM and how do we make donations?
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 10:47 |
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Hi,
Welcome!!! I am glad that you have decided to do the MP protocol.  Your quick tallying of your symptoms seems to indicate that this is where you need to be.
Most of the persons who are answering the questions here at this site are volunteer members mostly in Phase Three, who have been around for awhile with the MP, who have done a lot of studying of the other site... and experienced what Dr. Marshall, Phd, has said would happen in the course of doing the MP protocol. The medical qualified persons are on the "study" site.
I looked for you, dpsinger, at the other site, but cannot find where you have made any post on your own personal thread in the "Benicar Only Forum", or on the "Benicar and Minocycline Forum".
As far as we are concerned, you have not started the MP protocol. You have popped some pills, perhaps. 
The MP protocol is SAFE, but if done ONLY as is written. If one attempts to modify the protocol to his own ideas, that person could run into trouble.
The MP protocol is NOT just the taking of a few pills as one might do with the ordinary treatments by the orthodox medical community. The MP involves much more than just 'some pill taking'!!!!!!
Click on the highlighted phases below.
READ THIS INFO before beginning Benicar might be a good place for you to start, please.
You really do need to supply Staff with more information.
And I am going to guess that you need to read ESSENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE MP (Required Reading) and MARSHALL PROTOCOL FAQs (Required Reading)
And I suspect that this link might take you to some good information, too....
MARSHALL PROTOCOL FAQs Easy Finder & the ABC of MP
Do check out the list of medications and supplements that one can take while on the MP. There really aren't many!
You mention Saw Palmetto. It is a sterol, if you will do a Google Search on it.... closely related to steroids, which suppress the immune system.
Who knows what ALL is included in ALL of those other supplements that you are taking!?!? And certainly noone has done a safety check on them and the meds of the MP. There are just too many supplements like those you are taking to have run a safety check. We are ALL volunteers, on this and the other site, too.
You will be surprised what is included and not reported because it is part of a natural product. If you study the 'study site' enough, you will run across the product 'chlorogenic acid' [CGA]. NO! if is not something left over from the 1970's era that could be classed as a recreational drug by the BATF or FDA. CGA is very immunesuppressing!!! and will delay your progress on the MP protocol. Where is it found? It is found in very large measure in coffee. It is also found in apples and eggplants.
What you are thinking coming into the MP protocol as being necessary for your "balanced gut" may NOT be as true as you think. Sorry, but my guess is that you have LOTS of learning to do.
Do read, then read some more, then when you have read it all, read it some more. You will be surprised at how much one will learn by reading some pieces over more than once.
We really do want you to improve on the MP protocol!!!
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Borreliosis (but really Th1 inflammation). Start D values, July '04, 125D/57, 25D/61...over supplementation with D (fish oil).
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 11:42 |
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The Foundation's main website is at
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/
There is a donations link at the top left, and electronic donations (eg credit card) can be made by clicking the PayPal button. Donations can also be sent by Check.
The Foundation is a Californian non-profit corporation, staffed entirely by volunteers. The current board of directors is myself, Meg, Belinda, and Liz. It has been granted IRS 501(c)3 tax-exempt status, so donations are tax deductable.
Thanks for remembering us, we have a lot of traveling to conferences and meetings (eg at the FDA) to do this year, and we need help to continue our outreach.
Sincerely
Trevor
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dpsinger
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 12:23 |
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thank you for your thoughtfulness and taking the time to reply. I am registered at the other site under same name. I have done more than pop a few pills and have read all the links you sent. I do feel like I need to re-read all information again and again. My wife is an RN and holistically minded and I am the president of a large private company. I take the protocols very seriously and will what it takes to get well. My spouse and family are very supportive.
MP website speaks to vitamins and supplements. Probiotics and others have been okayed. My gut has been out of whack since beginning Phase 1 after quiting all supplements. I only added what I mentioned back in to try and help balance my stomach. Most of the supplements I listed seemed to be okay when reviewing vitamin information. Saw palmetto comment is very interesting, no need to take for stomach and I will discontinue today.
Live long and prosper Dark Vador and god bless TM.
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 13:04 |
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The problem with supplements is that (in general) nobody knows their mechanism of action, and often we do not really know what they consist of.
If an increased frequency of Benicar can palliate the GI symptoms, and it usually does, this is safer and less likely to cause immunopathology surges than supplements, which act as additional variables, making it tough to figure out what is causing the symptoms being experienced.
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Julia
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Posted: Tue Feb 5th, 2008 23:41 |
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Hi DPSinger,
As George has said, you need to familiarise yourself more with the MP in order to do it safely. See Phase One Guideline. If you want to join the MP trial you must start a Progress Report on the main study site, beginning in the Benicar Only Forum.
Here is a check-list for starting the MP (please click on each link):
Wearing NoIR glasses.
Get D tests done and post results in the Preliminary test results forum for analysis. See What to include in your preliminary test results report.
Eliminate vitamin D from diet.
Eliminate all supplements.
Assess any other medications you're taking, with your doctor and the guidance of our medical moderators (post them along with your test results). Take care - some meds can't be stopped abruptly. If you've been taking steroids, see Weaning from steroids, and you need to post in the Weaning From Steroids Forum.
Darken your home and restrict your daytime outings to the essential only, well covered up, using zinc oxide sunscreen on your face.
Explain these restrictions simply to other family members and friends. (If you encounter any problems here, I can give you some links to ideas from other members' experiences.)
Juice Plus is small amounts of concentrated juices with added micro-nutrients, including folic acid, which is contraindicated on the MP. See Why should I avoid folic acid supplementation?
It looks from your meds schedule as if you're only taking Benicar twice a day? You need it at least every eight hours, and preferably every six.
We are not trying to be critical, just trying to ensure that your experience of the MP is a safe one.
Good health, safely!
Julia 
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Essential Info; FAQ; Julia's story
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 02:04 |
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Thank you for your response. I have been taking Benicar only for 10 days. Take it every 6 hours with a slight modification at night. Only other supplements now that I am taking are probiotics in the a.m. and p.m.
I have tried and tried to figure out how to post in the Benicar only forum and start a thread but cannot. Can you steer me.
No Vit. D in diet. only outside time is in car driving to workadn briefly walking from garage to office building, lunch and home.
Had No IR sunglasses but didn't fit well, other pair is shipped but not received.
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Thu Feb 7th, 2008 02:24 |
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DPSinger,
Make sure that you are Registered at the 'study' site. Then, make sure that you "Log-in". I assume that you know this, but have to be sure.
From the HOME page, click on 'Benicar Only Forum" to go to that forum.
Then, in the upper right corner of that page, click on "New Topic".
That will take to a blank page for you to start your own personal thread.
Let us know if this fails.
Thanks!
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Borreliosis (but really Th1 inflammation). Start D values, July '04, 125D/57, 25D/61...over supplementation with D (fish oil).
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