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jterpning
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 16:38 |
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I have Lyme and am in the unfortunate possition of now being allergic to all antibiotics. I have long found that I feel better in late summer and worse in late winter. Could it be the effect of vit D? If vit D has an anti inflamitory effect then would I reduce the allergy symptoms by adding vit D? Not the usual question I know.
Before I continue I would like to say the MP seems to be the most promising treatment I have seen for Lyme - now my questions.
I've read what seems to me to be conflicting information in the MP website. On the one hand exposure to sunlight will make you feel worse but on the other hand exposure to sunlight makes you feel better -
Why does exposure to natural light increase symptoms?
Why do I feel better in the summer? And worse in the winter?
Is there a document that explains the theories discussed at the MP website? I find all these threads difficult to follow and sometimes confusing. What I would very much like to see is a top down analisys of the theory. I have tried to find answers to my questions in the post threads but have often just found new questions. For example, I have read elsewhere that the amount of vit D produced by the body as a result of exposure to sunlight dwarfs the amount of vit from other sources. Vit D has been in the news a great deal in recent years as very benificial and they always say sunlight is the way to get it. But here at this website we are told to avoid all vit D. As if a walk to the mailbox and eating an egg are equal. Are not some of the statements about treatment protocol made on conjecture and not fact? I would feel better if sometimes I read, "we believe this is best", or "we believe this is how it works".
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Dr Trevor Marshall
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 16:42 |
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Exogenous Vitamin D is immunosuppressive and anti-inflammatory. See my new paper, just published, for more details
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum39/11053.html
The Advocates will help answer your other questions 
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Thu Jan 17th, 2008 21:46 |
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Hi, Welcome to the MP sites!!!!
I think that the usual saying is that sunlight and vitamin D will make one feel better. And it will for a short time. Because both are suppressing the immune system. When that happens, bacteria are not killed off, but are allowed to proliferate. Toxins and cytokines are not produced. However, in time, one will be worse off from the increased numbers of bacteria dying naturally, and one will feel worse.
This is why you feel worse as the sun gets lower and the rays shorter. Your immune system is NOT being suppressed. Some killing is being done by the immune system, and carcasses and cytokines are being produced. And the increased bacteria are doing their 'thing' in a greater way.
The feeling bad comes about when the bacteria are turned into carcasses which give off toxins, and, the body produces cytokines to get rid of the carcasses. This killing of bacteria may be the natural death of bacteria, or by antibiotics/immune system action. When it is caused by antibiotics, it is called either herxing (common word) or immunopathology (medical community word). The common word, herxing, comes from Jarisch-Herxheimer, the two German doctors who discovered the process while treating syphilus decades ago.
If you will concentrate on these two forums, they will give you the basic information... ESSENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE MP (Required Reading) and MARSHALL PROTOCOL FAQs (Required Reading)
You will need to certify that you have read them to do the MP protocol.
If you wish to find some particular subject, try looking in MARSHALL PROTOCOL FAQs Easy Finder & the ABC of MP
A sister site, written by a MP member, has a very good article about vitamin D that may help you to understand. It is somewhat long, but covers the subject rather well. http://bacteriality.com/2007/09/15/vitamind/ Read it in pieces, if necessary. There are more links to some good articles in the right hand column.
Unfortunately, there is no single document that says it all. This is a living entity! Not a book that you might be use to. If you are volunteering to put all this material into the book form that you are use to, we volunteer Advocates would sure thank you!!!  The entire staff is one of volunteers, and we fit all this answering in between tolerable herxing, and attempting to get our chores done.
Now, I will tell you that I took LOTS of 'vitamin' D over a two year period. I ramped from 1,000 units per day to 16,000 units per day for about the last four months before I discovered the MP thinking. Even took in lots more vitamin D in my usual food and sunlight..... and my health spiraled down with doing so!!! D does not do what is being said all over the world today about it. It is a misnamed product. It is NOT a vitamin! It is a secosteroid... that suppresses the immune system and allows the bacterial L-forms to proliferate. I have experienced, too, my innate immune system kicking it with the help of the MP meds when the 25D test level dropped below the magical 20 pg/ml, just like Dr. Marshall said it would. It felt like a Missouri mule had kicked me with the herx. My supplementing with D resulted in an original test score of 61 pg/ml....not good!!! 
Remember, too, almost all medical thinking/observation is OPINION...even from the orthodox medical community that has graduated from medical schools. NO one is GOD! Nor, does anyone have a microscopic submarine that one can explore the individual cells of the body to know with a 100% certainty what is going on. It is human nature to say things as fact when one's experience leads one in that direction of thought.
You say that you have "Lyme". That is a typical expression. I used it, too!!! Before I studied and learned that what I REALLY have is a soup or stew of pleomorphic bacterial L-forms causing a soup or stew of symptoms.... a Th1 inflammation. It is NOT just one bacteria that you have been lead to believe by the medical community.
I suspect that your being "allergic to all antibiotics" is just your killing off of enough of those bacteria with the antibiotic to cause you to have some carcasses to create toxins and some cytokines to try to get rid of the carcasses. You were probably just having a good old fashion "herx". If you broke out into masses of hives, I would have to rescind that statement. Would you like to explain what happened to you to cause this handle?
Would you believe that I told a medical school graduate working as an emergency room doc, even after residence, that I had "herxed", and he did not know what the phenomenon was about?
Yes! there is much heresy here at the MP. But the MP works! Just slowly. And it will not make you FEEL better for some time. But enough people have had successes for us to say that it works, as "fact". And I am among those people who have had successes, too.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Borreliosis (but really Th1 inflammation). Start D values, July '04, 125D/57, 25D/61...over supplementation with D (fish oil).
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Reenie
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Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 19:54 |
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Dr Marshall and George have answered your questions well. In fact, I can recall in my earlier days of researching the MP when I asked questions about light too. It took awhile to really "get it."
Part of the experience of the MP will only make sense once you actually find out for yourself when your body reacts EXACTLY to what Dr Marshall's research has found. It's a little difficult to understand some of the science as George states, because even the Drs don't get it and so we have alot of conflicting information out there which we (and our Drs) have accepted as truth when it is not.
I recall a statement that Dr Marshall made awhile back on a post about how he can't control how the body works; he can only explain the science of it. 
The body will act one way at one point in your illness and will react differently as time goes on and you begin to heal using the MP so it's important to understand as much as possible so you can relate to what is happening as you progress while using the MP.
You may also have to help your Drs understand what it is that is happening to you, especially if you are his first MP patient, but once you begin the MP and post your reactions, get assistance and feel them for yourself, you will get better at understanding (and in health) I'm sure, as we all have along the way.
The MP is a wonderful and fascinating journey to recovery, unlike most of medicine which only treats symptoms and poorly at best, mostly.  In fact, have you ever questioned your Dr when he may have told you that he has no idea why you have a certain illness or symptom? Medicine generally calls these "idiopathic" conditions. Yes, the definition sounds just like the word...
without apparent cause: describes a disease or disorder that has no known cause
As for your statement, But here at this website we are told to avoid all vit D. As if a walk to the mailbox and eating an egg are equal.
There is much you still need to learn... for someone with dysregulated D, both need to be avoided but eating an egg yolk gives you the hormone pre-cursor (25D) while walking to the mailbox would produce too much of the active metabolite. (125D)
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