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vertex39
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 09:28 |
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I found the doctor who agreed to use the MP only as a last resort because "the MP takes months or even years to work" and the patients on it are "sick as a dog". He suggested that I instead go with the other protocols first which involve using those antibiotics that according to the MP are harmful (such as amoxicillin) and should be avoided. He also told me that I should get treated for underlying autoimmune condition with drugs they use for rheumatoid arthritis. I told him I don't want to use the drugs that further suppress my immunte system instead of activating it. The doctors that I've been to are not willing to even consider the MP. And the other doctors that are on the MP list that I received from the moderators do not take any insurance.
So my question is: Would anyone who goes to the MP doctor in New York or New Jersey area please PM me their doctor's name and phone number. Thanks.
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Wed Dec 12th, 2007 19:49 |
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Hi, Vertex,
Welcome!!!! And Congratulations!!!!! for advocating for yourself. 
It takes a strong personality to do that advocating. However, it is needed. 
Yes! It does take some time to arrive at an end point with the MP, maybe three to five years. But if it happened faster, a person probably would not like the "cruise". The pain would be too much from the killing of the bacteria, and the leftover carcasses and cytokines to get rid of the carcasses. This is something that almost all med docs have not been trained to really consider. Their training has been to eleviate pain as quickly as possible. That story is what movies and TV drama is made of. And patients have been hoodwinked into believing is possible, so that is what they want. That is what immunesuppressives are all about. Stop the bacteria killing and the pain is reduced. The patient is temporarily happy. But this just gives the bacteria the opportunity to increase in numbers, so the next round when the immune system attempts to do what it is meant to do, becomes even worse with pain from the greater number of carcasses. Eventually the bacteria kills the patient....and that end point is not what is wanted in most cases.
So, it is better to have a longer "cruise" with less pain as the MP protocol can do IF THE PATIENT LEARNS what he/she needs to know, and does it.
Remember, the chronic illness is the result of a lifetime collection of bacterial L-forms. In most cases, it does not happen very quickly.
The doctor's concept that people on the MP are "sick as dogs" is not a realistic appraisement. Yes, there is waxing and waning of the herxing. But that is a strong clue that the killing is really going on. The person just has to learn to control that rate of killing with the techniques of the MP protocol. To a very large extent, that learning process is up to the patient...with the assistance of the MP Staff.
The MP protocol is NOT a two-pills-a-day-for-two-weeks immunesuppressing "trip" around the block that leaves one sicker than when one starts out the "trip". Said from the experience.  Am I convinced? You bet! It is working for me, slowly, tolerably, for the most part, and yes, with some discomfort at times.
Congratulations, again, for advocating for yourself!!! 
I hope that someone will answer your request soon with the med doc that you need. But may I suggest that you give it the "old college try" to convert your doc. Please go to Essential Information about the MP found on the HOME page of the main site, and start learning more so that you can discuss it better with you doc. This is REQUIRED reading anyway. I took two and a half months to prepare myself before I took the first Benicar pill. I read some each day.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader....aka, George
P.S. I suspect that you knew all of this, but it was good to say it. Thanks! for giving me the chance to say it for those that might not have thought it out and will read.
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Chris
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Posted: Thu Dec 13th, 2007 16:23 |
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Vertex,
I noticed your email is marked 'private' in your profile. You might want to use the private message facility to exchange info here (such as email addresses), to avoid having your email show up on the spammers lists.
You can ask the moderators to edit the message, or if it's been less than a few (8?) hours, you can edit it out yourself.
Have you asked for the list of possible docs on the MP site?
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum11/9355.html
This will be sent back as a PM and maybe email.
Where are you (roughly) in the NJ/NY area?
Chris
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vertex39
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 01:23 |
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George and Chris, thank you both for replying. I agree that the proper treatment takes a long time and it's OK to get sick because it's a path to the true healing. The doctor told me he understands the MP but then why did he insist on using the meds that convert regular bacteria to a more entrentched L-form ? When I tried to explain that to him he told me he had other patients waiting and that he is probably not the right doctor for me.
Chris, thank you for your advice and for editing my original message. I did get an e-mail with the MP doc list in my area. However, most of them don't take any insurance while others on the list don't know anything about MP. I live in Bergen county.
P.S. I am going to keep searching anyway. 
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Fri Dec 14th, 2007 02:59 |
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Vertex,
I am afraid to say that the doctor who told you that "he had other patients waiting and that he is probably not the right doctor for me." is all too typical of medical doctors today.
Most are NOT scientist!!!!! They do not want to learn. They figure that they have learned all that they need to know in med school or residency. And patients pay the price in costs, pain and lives!
However, it has been figured that only about 0.4% of all bacteria have been discovered and classified. How can those doctors know sooooo much?
Even NASA has recently figured out that they took bacteria to the moon when they thought that every thing was sterile. See... Leary, W. E. (2007). In NASA’s Sterile Areas, Plenty of Robust Bacteria. The New York Times. [↩]
I have learned that NOT all of the med docs think this way. But when you have to go through about 200,000 of them, nation wide, it is a long and slow process to find the true scientists among them. But they are there!!!!
Keep learning by reading this new 21st Century thinking, which will make your job of finding a scientist, as well as doctor, more believeable and productive.
Besides reading what has been suggested to you already, you might use Links to Basic Information to find answer to specific questions.
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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vertex39
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 20:52 |
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To those who are in the stages 2 and 3 of MP:
I was wondering if any of the cyst-targeting drugs such as nitroimidazole class of antibiotics are used in the stages 2 and 3 of Marshall Protocol? I don't need to know the name/s of the drug/s, just a simple yes or no answer.
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Posted: Sat Feb 2nd, 2008 23:11 |
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Vertex,
No. The antibiotics used on the MP are bacteriostatic, not bactericidal, in other words, they only weaken the bacteria and prevent them multiplying. That gives your immune system (which has been activated by the Benicar) a chance to kill them off.
How are you getting on in your search for a doctor? If the list hasn't helped, perhaps you could talk to your own doctor about the MP and see if s/he would be open-minded enough to read some printouts of the MP information. See Suggestions To Get Your Doctor On Board With the MP.
Julia 
PS Please ask all your questions here at your own personal thread for continuity.
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 15:47 |
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Dear Julia,
Thanks for your reply. Recenty I read a book by Bryan Rosner The Top Ten Lyme Disease Treatments. In it he describes how in addition to the L-form bacteria Bb is able to convert itself to cysts in adverse conditions in order to survive, which are very difficult to kill with most antibiotics. Which is why he recommends the usage of nitroimidazoles in addition to the MP.
I did find a doctor who uses the MP for Lyme disease. I am going to see him in March.
Vertex
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Posted: Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 16:11 |
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Vertex,
Although that book gives (I gather) a positive review of the MP, from what you say, the author does what many doctors try to do - change the MP to fit in with their own way of thinking. This is dangerous. Only Dr Marshall has done as much research into the very precise actions of the drugs he has carefully chosen.
Please see Important Safety Warnings About the MP.
I'm glad you've found a possible doctor. But it's still your responsibility to see that he follows the MP correctly.
Julia
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