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tibet1
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 07:14 |
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Hi
Science textbooks state that the function of white blood cells is to engulf and digest bad bacteria.
If this is correct why is the body no longer capable of doing this in CWD disease?
Or have we always been mistaken about how white blood cells operate?
Autoimmune type disease is not a new phenomenon....though it may be a growing problem in industrialised developed societies, for instance the growth of diabetes II.
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Posted: Tue Nov 13th, 2007 13:26 |
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Sesame,
Please see Cell Wall Deficient Bacteria and the Marshall Protocol. It contains a lot of links to info on how the immune system works.
The short answer to your question is that the phagocytes are unable to digest the CWD bacteria because the VDRs (Vitamin D Receptors) are being inactivated and thus cannot do their job of transcribing the hundreds of genes that it normally transcribes that create the anti-microbial peptides and other chemicals that actually do the recognizing, killing, and digesting of the bacteria. On the MP the drug Benicar activates the VDR allowing the innate immune system to do its job.
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tibet1
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Posted: Sat Dec 1st, 2007 23:28 |
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hi
Can you tell me what kind of symtoms could be considered Herxing or immunopathy?
sesame
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Julia
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 00:15 |
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Stella,
Immunopathology can be an exacerbation or return of any of your disease symptoms. Or it can be new ones too, because the MP uncovers bugs where you didn't know you had bugs  If you didn't do the MP, you would eventually get these new symptoms as your disease progressed.
Are you any further on with finding a doctor yet? Please don't give up. I don't think any of us in the UK have found it easy, but it is sooo worth the fight 
Julia 
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GeorgeinRollaMO
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Posted: Sun Dec 2nd, 2007 01:25 |
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Hi, Sesame/Stella,
Julia gave you a very good short answer to what a herx or immunopathology is! And DonM has led you right to your answer about CWD.
However, if you like book reading as indicated from your prelude to your questions,  with lots more information that you can explore at your leisure and kick around in your mind, please go to How to Identify Immunopathology (herx)
And don't pass over the Marshall Protocol FAQs Easy Finder (the ABC of MP) It is almost like an Index that you would find in a book. 
If there is a mistake, IMO, it is the whole concept of 'autoimmunity'. I had trouble believing it in the early fifties, much less now. It does not exist nor has it ever. As Prof. Marshall, has asked, "If the body is attacking itself, why doesn't it just go on attacking until a person is dead?" 
Wishing you, and all, wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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tibet1
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Posted: Thu Dec 6th, 2007 00:18 |
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is there a way of finding other people in my area ding MP?
sesame
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Reenie
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Posted: Fri Dec 7th, 2007 21:18 |
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Hi Sesame,
Yes there is. You can go to the main study site (you may need to be a member there) and click on the members' button and get a list of UK members. You may want to add it in yours as well.
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/view_user.php?country=United_Kingdom
You can try it here by clicking on Julia's link and you can click on my location as well to see USA members, or in more detail, Phoenix or Arizona.
Once you get a list of the UK members, you can send them a pm (private message) asking them whatever info you would like.
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tibet1
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Posted: Sat Dec 8th, 2007 06:14 |
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Thanks
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Posted: Sun Dec 9th, 2007 23:42 |
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hi
does MP help tooth probs...
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Posted: Mon Dec 10th, 2007 04:42 |
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Hi, Sesame,
Many times teeth problems are really bacterial problems.
I mentioned this to a lady who was having big trouble, and saved her thousands of dollars, and some teeth that she would have had extracted or root-canaled. She waited and the problems all cleared up with the proper treatment.
Wishing all wellness!!!
Dark Vader...aka, George
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Posted: Mon Dec 10th, 2007 04:44 |
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Hi Sesame.
Many people have experienced relief from dental issues with the MP.
Here's a post from this week:
I would just like to let people know that I have just returned from a periodontist appointment. Last time he told me my gums had improved incredibly. This time he couldn't find any evidence of infection.
I had surgery approx 6 years ago for gum disease. It has been a constant struggle since then to keep the infection under control. I was warned that I would eventually lose two teeth..... Well I was told today that if my gums remain at this level I will not lose my teeth. Great hey!!!
I had a good talk to the periodentist and asked him if he had lots of patients with so called auto immune diseases. He affirmed this. I told him gum disease was a symptom of these disorders and as he showed interest told him to check the website. I hope he does.
Go Marshall Protocol -
Alex in Phase 3
Also: lots of great reading available it this link: Dental Problems
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Posted: Mon Dec 10th, 2007 08:13 |
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Stella,
I get toothache as a herx. It doesn't last long, so that's how I know it's a herx. These bugs get everywhere
Julia
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Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 07:49 |
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hi
Can you tell me what causes ricketts
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Julia
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Posted: Fri Dec 28th, 2007 08:19 |
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Hi Stella,
If you do a search for 'rickets' on the main site, you find these:
Vitamin D Doesn't Cause or Cure Rickets
RICKETS (Osteomalacia)
(ricketsfilelink)
"Rickets is not caused by a lack of Vitamin D, but by a lack of dietary calcium and phosphorus." Prof. Marshall
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 17:52 |
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hi
I am interested in what the panel think of the new roundworm idea...Cryptostrongylus pulmoni...as the cause of CFS/ME
sesame
dr lawrence klapow discovered this new organism
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Julia
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Posted: Sun Jan 13th, 2008 21:44 |
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Hi Stella,
If a roundworm causes CFS/ME, it's funny that so many of our CFS/ME members are recovering on antibiotics (see (filelink) CFS success stories). More likely the worms are just another co-infection.
Julia
A synopsis of this news item is at http://www.cfsdoc.org/c__pulmoni.htm.
See Parasites
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 16:20 |
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Julia
Joyce Waterhouse has written on this subject....and it is a good article ..wish I could give you URL..will find it
It seems there may be many things in the mix ..inside the body..it does not invalidate..the MP..but rathher supports the idea
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Posted: Mon Jan 14th, 2008 19:08 |
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Stella,
The worm hypothesis is ridiculous. It has not been tested in a scientific forum. I would be happy to engage Dr Kuplow, and assist his understanding of the CFS disease state, just as I have discussed with Joyce my opinions on this issue.
When people like Dr Kuplow put out untested ideas such as this, they are doing immense harm to the community. People suffering from CFS wander off and suffer yet another course of 'therapy' only to find that they are still sick some time later.
Meanwhile, the bacteria which cause this disease proliferate, and the patient's eventual recovery (with the MP) becomes even more difficult.
I have just spent the weekend at a conference at the Salk Institute, discussing Science with the best minds in the world. Please do not make the mistake of underestimating the breakthrough we have made here. Your future depends on keeping a clear head, even while the disease is fogging your mind...
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Reenie
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Posted: Tue Jan 15th, 2008 18:29 |
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Stella,
As Dr Marshall states, he has found the cause and treatment for us.
I have been part of the CFIDS community for a decade now, and don't know a single CFS patient with worms! YIKES!!!
I have tried nearly EVERY therapy there is from well known physicians (and some not very well known) all the while I got sicker and sicker each year until the MP.
You can read my interview on Amy's site along with other recovering CFIDS/ME patients. Funny as Julia says that the MP is working for us!
Interview with Reenie Gentile (CFS, fibromyalgia, psoriasis)
A fav friend's quote applies here... "When you hear hoof beats think horses, not zebras!"
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jcwat101
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Posted: Wed Jan 16th, 2008 17:38 |
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I did write an article several years ago about C. pulmoni ( http://SynergyHN.com/roundworm ). And you can read my later update (linked to in the article) that indicates that from what I have learned since, I do think C. pulmoni to be only a coinfection, which probably mainly becomes bad due to the bacteria's effects on the immune system.
I do think Dr. Klapow, who I have known for many years, is taking a cautious approach. He is not promoting any treatment of it, but just trying to do basic research (there is not yet an effective, proven treatment). I am not advocating direct treatment of it either, because at this time, I think the best way to get rid of it and to get well is to treat the bacteria with the MP, which I believe will allow the immune system to handle coinfections such as this.
I think it is possible that the fact that I have C. pulmoni as one of my coinfections may contribute to my particularly high level of food sensitivities. These, however, have been gradually improving without treating C. pulmoni, by using the MP -- though I have found it very helpful to use elimination diets, sublingual food testing etc..., to keep symptoms from the food reactions at a lower level while waiting for the MP to fully resolve them (see Joyce Waterhouse's Progress Report)
Joyce Waterhouse
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