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Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2008 02:45 |
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Again, not an Advocate, but think of alcohol this way...
It is the metabolic by-product of yeast organisms. In other words, it's the excrement of yeast, which you are intentionally burdening your internal organs with having to deal with. In someone with candidiasis, they know to avoid alcohol, because it adds to the already heightened yeast by-product exposure they are already subjected to on a daily basis.
I recently have delved back into alcohol a few times (mistakes), and learned that they now cause me severe blood sugar fluctuations because I have some serious hyperglycemia or diabetes related issues (which have never been diagnosed, but my symptoms are dead ringer).
You're probably best off avoiding alcoholic beverages while ill. Your body and internal organs have enough to deal with as it is; They don't need you intentionally stacking more work in their in-box.
Food for thought " )
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Lind
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Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2008 03:05 |
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I think intuitively I already knew the answer to this question. I just needed to have a confirmation from someone else. I gave up coffee and soft drinks over a year ago without any knowledge of the MP or Dr. Marshall's research.
The key here for me seems to be the things I "crave" or enjoy are actually feeding he disease process.
Thanks for the input.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2008 03:19 |
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Hi Lind,
See topic - Alcohol Consumption
That should help answer your question.
Also, keep in mind that everything to be obviously elimated from your diet would be presented in foods to avoid etc - you would've seen it  .
Let us know if you have any further questions.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2008 04:47 |
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Depression was a big problem for me that became quite serious when I started the phase three abx. Seems like, there for awhile, all I could think about were my life screw-ups. It took a real effort to think about the good times.
Depression is still a troublesome symptom but getting much better. I avoid alcohol because the few times I have tried it, even wine, the depression is much worse for a couple of days.
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Lind
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 01:32 |
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I have two new questions.
I have been reading about herx relating to light in the eyes and wearing noirs. I am not on treatment yet and have been avoiding D for about 4 weeks. I work under bright flourescent lights and today everything in the room started to wave and swirl around me. I thought I was going to pass out then I was OK. Is that what people are talking about relating to light? Should I be wearing noirs now even though I haven't started the protocol?
I am feeling much sicker now, with a variety of new complaints. Gum and tooth pain, sores in mouth, acne (haven't had in 10 yrs.) ear pain, sore throat. I did not have any of these before I reduced the D. So now I am wondering how do I tell an acute infection from a herx?
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Chris
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 02:22 |
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Yes, dizziness can be a result of the hormonal shifts caused by light.
Yes, if you want to keep your 25-D down, you will need to use NOIRs to prevent these
shifts, and the resulting discomfort.
"So now I am wondering how do I tell an acute infection from a herx?"
The next link has some notes that might be helpful:
I think I have an upper respiratory infection. What should I do?
Before you resort to discontining the MP to treat with another antibiotic regimen for a suspected upper respiratory bacterial infection, you should adjust your MP antibiotic/s (continue Benicar) to see if the symptoms improve. If they do, it is an immune system reaction not an acute infection.
Please read the page, there's more there. The basic idea is that if it responds to a change in the MP medication, it is herx.
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Lind
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 03:57 |
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Posted: Wed Oct 15th, 2008 04:59 |
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Lind, it sounds to my novice ear as if you maybe doing it unnecessarily tough. The MP appears to me to hinge on Benicar.
I have been undiagnosed CFS for a long time now, however have not bought sugar in decades, took infrequent supplements due to money worries and believe that has served me well as my symptoms are not as bad as some. I too cut out D foods, eliminated supplements before starting treatment and experienced what I thought was a 3 day infection.
My doctor also delayed prescribing until after MRI brain scan, knowing my symptoms were not too severe, but did not require a second 1,25OH blood sample when the first one misfired.
On the basis of a clear reaction to preparing for curative treatment I would be asking my doctor to justify not prescribing the protective agent Benicar while awaiting futher information on your D 1.25 level.
As you said in September “I have been eliminating vit D by diet for about 10 days now and some symptoms are beginning to return with a vengence; IP I guess. That should be proof alone that I have a Th1 infection. “ ……………………….Best wishes Sallie
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Lind
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 00:44 |
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I am still waiting to start the MP and previous IP from discontinued Vit D is becoming more tolerable or at least leveling off.
One thing that has changed is my blood pressure. I have been avoiding Vit D for about 6 weeks now and I have always had low blood pressure. My last three readings have been high.
Is there a connection here to the Th1 inflammatory disease?
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After years of being sick and every test known to man, I have finally found a Lyme literate doctor. I'm still waiting for test results, although he told me he has no doubt that I have chronic Lymes or some other tick infection. I had Lymes 25 years ago and I have struggled with it ever since. I then became extremely ill again two years ago.
My problem is that the Lymes literate doctor is familiar with the MP, but said he just doesn't get the whole vitamin D thing, although he said he wouldn't tell me not to follow the MP. He wants to use his own protocol if I am willing.
I have a doctor that uses the MP and is willing to treat me with it. After talking to the Lymes Literate doctor I was unsure which treatment plan to follow. I have decided to use the MP and let my Lymes literate doctor follow my progress.
The thought of taking large doses of antibiotics for a long term seems harmful to me, but I am not an expert so I have questions about which is best. The idea that Benicar will act to protect my organs as the bacteria die off and will also enable my immune system to function properly is much more appealing to me.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30th, 2008 01:43 |
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Hi Lind,
Yes, fluctuating BP can be the result of Th1 disease.
Before anything, I suggest you talk to your Doctor about it ASAP.
I also suggest seeing; Why is my B/P high? Why does it fluctuate? .
I am glad you have chosen the MP,
The thought of taking large doses of antibiotics for a long term seems harmful to me,
- if you're talking about the MP (and not your Doctor's other protocol), you've got something wrong there. The MP does not involve large doses of antibiotics, but small, pulsed doses.
If you take a look at the Phase 1 Document.pdf, you will see how low dose, pulsed minocycline is used in the first phase of the MP.
You may be interested in reading;
Won't the bacteria become immune/resistant to the antibiotics if I take them a long time?
Low doses of antibiotics more effective
CELL WALL DEFICIENT BACTERIA AND THE MARSHALL PROTOCOL A Simple Explanation
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 22:44 |
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Hello Advocates,
My Lymes Doc wants me to take CoQ10 and Amitriptyline. I have searched the website and found that CoQ10 is contraindicated, but can't find a reason for it other than it is an OTC supplement. Also, I can't find anything on Amitriptyline.
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Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 23:16 |
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Lind,
Re Amitriptyline:
It's not a good idea to take amitriptyline unless it is known to be effective for a specific intolerable symptom. It has quite a few commonly experienced side effects including othostatic hypotension (low blood pressure when arising). It should NOT be discontinued abruptly which gives you an idea of its addictive qualities. In other places it mentions side effects of drowsiness, Restless Legs Syndrome and exacerbated depression.
CoQ10 is contraindicated, see Why do I have to stop my alternative treatment and avoid most supplements? Do you know why doc wants you to take this?
Should I stop taking any of my medications?
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Posted: Sat Nov 1st, 2008 01:53 |
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Thank you Julia. I was afraid Amitriptyline might be addictive. I asked him about that and he said I would be on such a low dose it wasn't a concern.
The CoQ10 is to combat CFS and give me more energy. To me it seems pallitive so I haven't started it yet. I wanted to get more information about it first. I am very resistant to "band-aides" at this point in my illness. I just want a cure.
Thanks
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 01:20 |
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Dear Advocates,
I know this is a medical question and you can only point me to the libraries, but I am hoping you can comment.
My recent lab tests indicate Polyclonal Gammopathy. I have elevated IgM levels. My research on the web indicates this could be autoimmune related.
Do you have any information on this?
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 21:44 |
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Lind, the only thing I can find that might be relevant is in What do my lab tests mean where it says,
Globulins have many diverse functions such as, the carrier of some hormones, lipids, metals, and antibodies(IgA, IgG, IgM, and IgE). Elevated levels are seen with chronic infections, liver disease, rheumatoid arthritis, myelomas, and lupus. Lower levels in immune compromised patients, poor dietary habits, malabsorption and liver or kidney disease.
Normal adult range: 2.2-4.2 g/dl (calculated)
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Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2008 02:00 |
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Update on labs. I realize that Th1 inflammatory disease and Borreliosis or Lymes disease are one in the same, but I just wanted to add this update.
My Mp doc asked me to see a Lyme's Literate doctor before starting treatment. I have always thought I had Lymes due to an infection 25 years ago with all of the clinical symptoms of Lymes, however undiagnosed at the time. 25 years of chronic illness and a recent diagnosis of CFS and Fibromyalgia has finally been validated as Lymes or Borreliosis by Western Blot test results using IgeneX Labs in California instead of the usual Labcorp tests.
I know it doesn't matter what the original organism is as Th1 inflammatory disease is a "pea soup of pathogens", but since my Vit D tests results were ambiguous, it sure is nice to have a final diagnosis. Now I just have to get started on the MP! I'm looking forward to feeling well for the first time in many years even if it means I have to experience Herx!
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 02:10 |
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I am getting prepared to start the MP and reading as much as possible. I am having trouble with some of the links. In reading the ABCs of the MP and links about herxing, I clicked on a tiny url link 5/grv and was taken to this page http://www.r.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~bernard/
Can you help me out here?
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 07:44 |
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| I had a quick look and didn't see any tinyurl links in the ABC of MP's Herx section. Where exactly was this link?
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Posted: Sat Nov 22nd, 2008 14:11 |
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Sorry, I can't find it again. I was following links about how to know the difference between hormonal shifts and IP.
I also have another question. Dr. Marshall says there is evidence that Th1 pathogens can be transferred sexually. Does that mean my husband and I share the same pathogens, and since he isn't on the MP, that I will get the microbiota back from him?
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Posted: Mon Nov 24th, 2008 16:40 |
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See Can re-infection occur once we are healed?
Will re-infection occur if my partner or family members are not treated?
Am I contagious?
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